@DRDMovieMusings said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Kurtzmansucks said:

@wonder2wonder said:

This movie will probably be delayed - originally scheduled for March 22, 2024 - due to the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Hopefully delayed long enough to cancel it for tax reasons before this bombs badly at the box office

Why will this "bomb badly"?

(And, for bonus points, tell us if it's possible to bomb well).

Well, Snow White, for starters, and the choice was between two Latinos, which means it is a blatant race swap to attack fans of the source material and the Disney cartoon. So you already know that this is going to be used to call the fan's "racist" and we have already seen that movies made to do that have a history of failure.

And then the lead actress came out and went full divisive politics, both at the beloved cartoon and the fans. Once more essentially echoing the "it's not made for you" mentality that makes people not show up to watch it. I mean, I can attest to not going to movies that the creators say aren't made for me, and then laughing when the movie bombs and they blame the fans that didn't go to the movie that they told them not to watch.

So you already have blatant and low key attacks on fans in a movie that people look at and think "race swapped just to attack fans" And now you have a movie where the lead is already trashing the original, already going full divisive politics, and is now attacking her costar for being Jewish. And thought that is en vogue for certain political groups to go full antisemitic to show how tolerant they are.... but for normies and people on the other side, antisemitism is still pretty disgusting.

And at the end of the day 1) People are getting sick of politics and this is already political 2) People are getting sick of the divisive crap and this is politically and racially divisive 3) People are getting sick of movies and celebrities lecturing them about politics and at least the lead actress has been lecturing them from the start 4) Disney has burned it's bridges with fans doing 1-3 on repeat since around 2016

the bottom line is that people go to movies to be ENTERTAINED and Snow White was made to be political not entertaining. And it's gotten to the point where people feel more comfortable criticizing the blatant politics and attacks, and it has always been that fewer and fewer people go to see movies like this because they aren't entertaining.

its hitting the theaters with a ton of divisive political baggage at a time when people aren't watching movies that come with a ton of political baggage.

People go to movies to be entertained, and Disney made it clear that Snow White was about politic not entertainment. Ergo, it's going to bomb badly.

Your breakdown for why it could bomb might be right...but if it does not bomb, will you be around to break down why it didn't?

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

It's going to bomb, Disney knows it will bomb, per the leaks about Inside Out 2. they saw it was political, they corrected it and took the politics out, they saw profit. Deadpool as well.

It's not a matter of "if" it's a sure thing.

in order to NOT flop, it has to win back the people it already pushed away in the name of "THE MESSAGE."

And where you might think "No, people want to see movies that we tell them not to see AND they want to see movies that divide them down racial and religious lines and they want to see movies that attack them based on their race or religion" The fact is, that is a serious minority view.

Blade was a hit WITHOUT telling White people it wasn't made for them... that's the norm. NOT alienating audiences means people show up to watch your movie despite who you cast in it. White people went to see it and enjoyed it, because no one told them not to, no one told them it wasn't made for them. that's the norm.

Alienating audiences... like all the woke crap does, has the effect of the people they tell not to watch the film, shrugging, and not watching it. It's not difficult for normal intelligent people, when you tell vast portions of the population not to see the film, that it's not made for them, because the "inclusive" politicos who made it want to exclude them to be "inclusive" well, the result is they don't see it.

It's not if, it's logic.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Kurtzmansucks said:

@wonder2wonder said:

This movie will probably be delayed - originally scheduled for March 22, 2024 - due to the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Hopefully delayed long enough to cancel it for tax reasons before this bombs badly at the box office

Why will this "bomb badly"?

(And, for bonus points, tell us if it's possible to bomb well).

Well, Snow White, for starters, and the choice was between two Latinos, which means it is a blatant race swap to attack fans of the source material and the Disney cartoon. So you already know that this is going to be used to call the fan's "racist" and we have already seen that movies made to do that have a history of failure.

And then the lead actress came out and went full divisive politics, both at the beloved cartoon and the fans. Once more essentially echoing the "it's not made for you" mentality that makes people not show up to watch it. I mean, I can attest to not going to movies that the creators say aren't made for me, and then laughing when the movie bombs and they blame the fans that didn't go to the movie that they told them not to watch.

So you already have blatant and low key attacks on fans in a movie that people look at and think "race swapped just to attack fans" And now you have a movie where the lead is already trashing the original, already going full divisive politics, and is now attacking her costar for being Jewish. And thought that is en vogue for certain political groups to go full antisemitic to show how tolerant they are.... but for normies and people on the other side, antisemitism is still pretty disgusting.

And at the end of the day 1) People are getting sick of politics and this is already political 2) People are getting sick of the divisive crap and this is politically and racially divisive 3) People are getting sick of movies and celebrities lecturing them about politics and at least the lead actress has been lecturing them from the start 4) Disney has burned it's bridges with fans doing 1-3 on repeat since around 2016

the bottom line is that people go to movies to be ENTERTAINED and Snow White was made to be political not entertaining. And it's gotten to the point where people feel more comfortable criticizing the blatant politics and attacks, and it has always been that fewer and fewer people go to see movies like this because they aren't entertaining.

its hitting the theaters with a ton of divisive political baggage at a time when people aren't watching movies that come with a ton of political baggage.

People go to movies to be entertained, and Disney made it clear that Snow White was about politic not entertainment. Ergo, it's going to bomb badly.

Your breakdown for why it could bomb might be right...but if it does not bomb, will you be around to break down why it didn't?

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

Holy smokes I just realized that Barbie's own Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay. She's Hollywood fire right now. Pair her with Marc Webb who directed the Spider-Man franchise to gold, and I'm going to place my bet on a hit. All that matters is the writer and director. This is something that the alt right echo chamber overlooks in their obsession to second guess 'politics'. Greta Gerwig has proven that she knows how to piss off the right wing snowflakes in the most profitable way; the louder they whine, the more free advertising and more people buying tickets, history would teach us 🤔

@rooprect said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Kurtzmansucks said:

@wonder2wonder said:

This movie will probably be delayed - originally scheduled for March 22, 2024 - due to the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Hopefully delayed long enough to cancel it for tax reasons before this bombs badly at the box office

Why will this "bomb badly"?

(And, for bonus points, tell us if it's possible to bomb well).

Well, Snow White, for starters, and the choice was between two Latinos, which means it is a blatant race swap to attack fans of the source material and the Disney cartoon. So you already know that this is going to be used to call the fan's "racist" and we have already seen that movies made to do that have a history of failure.

And then the lead actress came out and went full divisive politics, both at the beloved cartoon and the fans. Once more essentially echoing the "it's not made for you" mentality that makes people not show up to watch it. I mean, I can attest to not going to movies that the creators say aren't made for me, and then laughing when the movie bombs and they blame the fans that didn't go to the movie that they told them not to watch.

So you already have blatant and low key attacks on fans in a movie that people look at and think "race swapped just to attack fans" And now you have a movie where the lead is already trashing the original, already going full divisive politics, and is now attacking her costar for being Jewish. And thought that is en vogue for certain political groups to go full antisemitic to show how tolerant they are.... but for normies and people on the other side, antisemitism is still pretty disgusting.

And at the end of the day 1) People are getting sick of politics and this is already political 2) People are getting sick of the divisive crap and this is politically and racially divisive 3) People are getting sick of movies and celebrities lecturing them about politics and at least the lead actress has been lecturing them from the start 4) Disney has burned it's bridges with fans doing 1-3 on repeat since around 2016

the bottom line is that people go to movies to be ENTERTAINED and Snow White was made to be political not entertaining. And it's gotten to the point where people feel more comfortable criticizing the blatant politics and attacks, and it has always been that fewer and fewer people go to see movies like this because they aren't entertaining.

its hitting the theaters with a ton of divisive political baggage at a time when people aren't watching movies that come with a ton of political baggage.

People go to movies to be entertained, and Disney made it clear that Snow White was about politic not entertainment. Ergo, it's going to bomb badly.

Your breakdown for why it could bomb might be right...but if it does not bomb, will you be around to break down why it didn't?

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

Holy smokes I just realized that Barbie's own Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay. She's Hollywood fire right now. Pair her with Marc Webb who directed the Spider-Man franchise to gold, and I'm going to place my bet on a hit. All that matters is the writer and director. This is something that the alt right echo chamber overlooks in their obsession to second guess 'politics'. Greta Gerwig has proven that she knows how to piss off the right wing snowflakes in the most profitable way; the louder they whine, the more free advertising and more people buying tickets, history would teach us 🤔

The star has been on a rampage insulting fans this month. It never ceases to amaze me how you people think:

"We can insult fans, we can tell people we don't agree with not to watch it.... and it will still be a hit."

And then when it DOES inevitably fail, like they always seem to fail... you get upset because the people they attacked and told not to see it didn't see it. At some point, you have to stop and realize that chasing off audiences, especially fans of the original IP, means you aren't selling them tickets.

I know your politics are super important to you, and you only want people that agree with you to see movies... that given how often movies and now games are flopping when you literally TELL PEOPLE NOT TO SEE IT... you'd figure you'd learn from your mistake by now.

But, you seem to be set on making the same mistake until the industry folds and you're left wondering why doing the same thing over and over again didn't work.

@GenerationofSwine said:

@rooprect said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Kurtzmansucks said:

@wonder2wonder said:

This movie will probably be delayed - originally scheduled for March 22, 2024 - due to the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Hopefully delayed long enough to cancel it for tax reasons before this bombs badly at the box office

Why will this "bomb badly"?

(And, for bonus points, tell us if it's possible to bomb well).

Well, Snow White, for starters, and the choice was between two Latinos, which means it is a blatant race swap to attack fans of the source material and the Disney cartoon. So you already know that this is going to be used to call the fan's "racist" and we have already seen that movies made to do that have a history of failure.

And then the lead actress came out and went full divisive politics, both at the beloved cartoon and the fans. Once more essentially echoing the "it's not made for you" mentality that makes people not show up to watch it. I mean, I can attest to not going to movies that the creators say aren't made for me, and then laughing when the movie bombs and they blame the fans that didn't go to the movie that they told them not to watch.

So you already have blatant and low key attacks on fans in a movie that people look at and think "race swapped just to attack fans" And now you have a movie where the lead is already trashing the original, already going full divisive politics, and is now attacking her costar for being Jewish. And thought that is en vogue for certain political groups to go full antisemitic to show how tolerant they are.... but for normies and people on the other side, antisemitism is still pretty disgusting.

And at the end of the day 1) People are getting sick of politics and this is already political 2) People are getting sick of the divisive crap and this is politically and racially divisive 3) People are getting sick of movies and celebrities lecturing them about politics and at least the lead actress has been lecturing them from the start 4) Disney has burned it's bridges with fans doing 1-3 on repeat since around 2016

the bottom line is that people go to movies to be ENTERTAINED and Snow White was made to be political not entertaining. And it's gotten to the point where people feel more comfortable criticizing the blatant politics and attacks, and it has always been that fewer and fewer people go to see movies like this because they aren't entertaining.

its hitting the theaters with a ton of divisive political baggage at a time when people aren't watching movies that come with a ton of political baggage.

People go to movies to be entertained, and Disney made it clear that Snow White was about politic not entertainment. Ergo, it's going to bomb badly.

Your breakdown for why it could bomb might be right...but if it does not bomb, will you be around to break down why it didn't?

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

Holy smokes I just realized that Barbie's own Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay. She's Hollywood fire right now. Pair her with Marc Webb who directed the Spider-Man franchise to gold, and I'm going to place my bet on a hit. All that matters is the writer and director. This is something that the alt right echo chamber overlooks in their obsession to second guess 'politics'. Greta Gerwig has proven that she knows how to piss off the right wing snowflakes in the most profitable way; the louder they whine, the more free advertising and more people buying tickets, history would teach us 🤔

The star has been on a rampage insulting fans this month. It never ceases to amaze me how you people think:

"We can insult fans, we can tell people we don't agree with not to watch it.... and it will still be a hit."

And then when it DOES inevitably fail, like they always seem to fail... you get upset because the people they attacked and told not to see it didn't see it. At some point, you have to stop and realize that chasing off audiences, especially fans of the original IP, means you aren't selling them tickets.

I know your politics are super important to you, and you only want people that agree with you to see movies... that given how often movies and now games are flopping when you literally TELL PEOPLE NOT TO SEE IT... you'd figure you'd learn from your mistake by now.

But, you seem to be set on making the same mistake until the industry folds and you're left wondering why doing the same thing over and over again didn't work.

I truly don't understand a thing you're saying. FYI this is a movie forum where people talk about movies.

@rooprect said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

Holy smokes I just realized that Barbie's own Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay. She's Hollywood fire right now.

She sure is!

Pair her with Marc Webb who directed the Spider-Man franchise to gold, and I'm going to place my bet on a hit.

That's where the smart money should go!

This is something that the alt right echo chamber overlooks in their obsession to second guess 'politics'. Greta Gerwig has proven that she knows how to piss off the right wing snowflakes in the most profitable way;

She has indeed proven it.

It's annoying AF for someone to be crying about pissing off "audiences", betraying their presumption that the only audience that matters is the one they are crying to insulate and protect.

Meanwhile, growing numbers of others are enjoying a Hollywood that is no longer pandering only to that singularly narrow audience, but is telling stories that others can see themselves in and through.

Shoving a white male hero into every protagonist role was pissing off the rest of us, but that's supposed to be okay with the rest of us? That's "normal" and any departure therefrom must have a correction back to it? FOH with that BS!

the louder they whine, the more free advertising and more people buying tickets, history would teach us 🤔

History only teaches those who want to learn.

@rooprect said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@rooprect said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@GenerationofSwine said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Kurtzmansucks said:

@wonder2wonder said:

This movie will probably be delayed - originally scheduled for March 22, 2024 - due to the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Hopefully delayed long enough to cancel it for tax reasons before this bombs badly at the box office

Why will this "bomb badly"?

(And, for bonus points, tell us if it's possible to bomb well).

Well, Snow White, for starters, and the choice was between two Latinos, which means it is a blatant race swap to attack fans of the source material and the Disney cartoon. So you already know that this is going to be used to call the fan's "racist" and we have already seen that movies made to do that have a history of failure.

And then the lead actress came out and went full divisive politics, both at the beloved cartoon and the fans. Once more essentially echoing the "it's not made for you" mentality that makes people not show up to watch it. I mean, I can attest to not going to movies that the creators say aren't made for me, and then laughing when the movie bombs and they blame the fans that didn't go to the movie that they told them not to watch.

So you already have blatant and low key attacks on fans in a movie that people look at and think "race swapped just to attack fans" And now you have a movie where the lead is already trashing the original, already going full divisive politics, and is now attacking her costar for being Jewish. And thought that is en vogue for certain political groups to go full antisemitic to show how tolerant they are.... but for normies and people on the other side, antisemitism is still pretty disgusting.

And at the end of the day 1) People are getting sick of politics and this is already political 2) People are getting sick of the divisive crap and this is politically and racially divisive 3) People are getting sick of movies and celebrities lecturing them about politics and at least the lead actress has been lecturing them from the start 4) Disney has burned it's bridges with fans doing 1-3 on repeat since around 2016

the bottom line is that people go to movies to be ENTERTAINED and Snow White was made to be political not entertaining. And it's gotten to the point where people feel more comfortable criticizing the blatant politics and attacks, and it has always been that fewer and fewer people go to see movies like this because they aren't entertaining.

its hitting the theaters with a ton of divisive political baggage at a time when people aren't watching movies that come with a ton of political baggage.

People go to movies to be entertained, and Disney made it clear that Snow White was about politic not entertainment. Ergo, it's going to bomb badly.

Your breakdown for why it could bomb might be right...but if it does not bomb, will you be around to break down why it didn't?

While we wait for its release, get a feel for how this discussion could shape up by perusing this thread, hilariously titled Flop Flop Flop Flop, about the movie Barbie!

Holy smokes I just realized that Barbie's own Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay. She's Hollywood fire right now. Pair her with Marc Webb who directed the Spider-Man franchise to gold, and I'm going to place my bet on a hit. All that matters is the writer and director. This is something that the alt right echo chamber overlooks in their obsession to second guess 'politics'. Greta Gerwig has proven that she knows how to piss off the right wing snowflakes in the most profitable way; the louder they whine, the more free advertising and more people buying tickets, history would teach us 🤔

The star has been on a rampage insulting fans this month. It never ceases to amaze me how you people think:

"We can insult fans, we can tell people we don't agree with not to watch it.... and it will still be a hit."

And then when it DOES inevitably fail, like they always seem to fail... you get upset because the people they attacked and told not to see it didn't see it. At some point, you have to stop and realize that chasing off audiences, especially fans of the original IP, means you aren't selling them tickets.

I know your politics are super important to you, and you only want people that agree with you to see movies... that given how often movies and now games are flopping when you literally TELL PEOPLE NOT TO SEE IT... you'd figure you'd learn from your mistake by now.

But, you seem to be set on making the same mistake until the industry folds and you're left wondering why doing the same thing over and over again didn't work.

I truly don't understand a thing you're saying. FYI this is a movie forum where people talk about movies.

that's hysterical because it IS a movie forum, and people just want to see movies, and the reason why Snow White will fail, like all the others, is because the creators are pushing their politics like all the other movies that have flopped because of the politics injected into them.

The very politics you are defending... and lamenting that people like me don't want politics in the movie... is the reason why Snow White will fail. You just clearly have an issue with the fact that even Disney is walking back the politics in the wake of epic failures.

@GenerationofSwine said:

that's hysterical because it IS a movie forum, and people just want to see movies, and the reason why Snow White will fail, like all the others,

Barbie didn't "fail."

is because the creators are pushing their politics like all the other movies that have flopped because of the politics injected into them.

People who love Clint Eastwood and John Wayne movies seem to enjoy that those movies are/were dripping with THEIR politics. So, it's okay if others have movies to be enjoyed with other politics.

The very politics you are defending... and lamenting that people like me don't want politics in the movie...

Yeah, and the politics YOU are defending are the kind that people like me don't want in movies.

The kind of politics others, myself included, are enjoying catapulted Barbie to historic, record-SMASHING numbers. You need to cope better.

You just clearly have an issue with the fact that even Disney is walking back the politics in the wake of epic failures.

Nah. It appears that you are the person with issues. We're here anticipating another Greta Gerwig movie, and you're doing your best to rain your issues on the parade - but, hey, all good, we've got umbrellas and galoshes, and the parade will continue!

One example... and now the argument is what, that not talking politics, not inserting politics, and not wanting to watch politics in everything is political?

No.

That only happened because you tried to insert politics into everything, it failed, and now are defending the insertion as a success despite the countless failure brought on by people saying, "I'm just going to stream crap from the past because all I want is entertainment not lectures."

So we'll see, the star of Snow White is on the rampage again, insulting half the population of the US over someone changing the Wicked poster to look like the Broadway poster. I know it might give you a little sandalwood in your Barbie Underoos... but most people, especially the people she's attacking, are tired of that crap. Especially over someone nonsense like a Broadway style poster.